Manipur in the Context of Meitei Puya Predictions

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  1. Langmeiton

    Langmeiton Active Member Valued Members

    Just a thought after reading this thread, wonder if Meiteis in Andro & other remote corners of the valley know about Puyas. Possibly Tangkhuls & Rongmeis in the distant hills have something to share. If am not mistaken, most rituals during Lai-haraoba begins with tribal chants. If anyone here can relate to this one.
  2. Self Deleted User

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    Chaitharol Kumbaba also known as Royal chronicles is a diary of events happening in Manipur. Complete chronology of kings who ruled Manipur. It is believed to be exist during the reign of King Kangba (1405-1359 BC), son of the Tangja-Leela Pakhangba.
    Puya is a holy literature of meities whereas Chaitharol Kumbaba is a royal diary of the Meitie Kings.
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  3. Ibochouba Khuman

    Ibochouba Khuman Maichou Valued Members

    Kabui gi lol Meetei Lai Haraobada lairol oinasu esei oinasu yaori. Ngasi ngasimak Kabui gi lairol esei Meetei Lai Haraoba da sakliba matek amatang loukhatchari....

    narui kheng narui hong
    mai lou hei
    heira mata laangu tao
    he melo laangu tao
    anukhai khai khai khai
    tera kohing koi koi
    kachira kohing koi koi
    hei lou mai .....

    eihaksu khara share toujaningbani adubu mei laktaduna ngamdre, mobile dagi thaabasisu maha problem oire.
  4. Ibochouba Khuman

    Ibochouba Khuman Maichou Valued Members

    Se7en
    Laangdai Puya Manga” kouba Oja Kangjia na puthok pa M. Chanu Nongleima na publish touba lairik/puya adudagi louthokchabani, kaanarabadi haibirak-u.

    Kangleipak ki amamba taangkak ama loirakpa ari-anou sinnaba laangdai gi matam asi Kangleipak ki khwaidagi maru oiba meehouron gi taangkak ni. Taangkak asi Kangleichasingna tunglamchatkidamak kupna yengduna maiyoknaba ngamhoudrabadi laibak thiba tunglamchat ama oikhigani. Maram aduna tunglamchat pu ooba Maichousingna laangdai gi matam asi karamna mayoknahougadage haibadu khangnanaba puya kaya iduna thanammi. Puyasing adugi manungda 1. Laalei laathup thilel 2. Matam gi khonglei 3. Meeyat laalei laathup 4. Maichou Apoklon, amasung 5. Maichou Laang-ol hairiba manga asina mapung ni. ………………….

    1. Laalei Laathup Thilel:
    Puya asi Khaki Maibi, Langkol Lukhoi, Laisang Khoma, Wahingpa Khalo, Luwangcham Thengkula amasung Soipam Laithangpa lai mania taruk na Khagemba Ningthou da hairamba wani. Puya asida yaoribasi mapung oina Laiyingthou(not Lainingthou) Khagemba dagi houraga ningthouron da thoklagadaba mapok laang-ol sing, Khagemba gi mapok marirak subafaoba gi warol, ningthou kaya gi mapok laang-ol singda thoklagadaba thoudoksing, thuptuna thamkhraba ningthou gi ee-sing, paallakadaba laang-ol gi ningthou sing gi sana haktak ta lougadaba cheksil thourang kaya leikhraba amadi leirakkadabasing adubu thuptuna chetna-hakna thamba Puya laatam adubuni laa+lei+laa+thup (leidi leiraga + thuptuna thamba laa) = laalei laathup kouribase. Thupna leiba oidunasu matam gi khonglei ahakpasing khangnanaba thijingadaba, kupna thijinpham oiba puya ni khangnanaba “Laalei Laathup Thilel” kourammi. …………..
  5. Se7en

    Se7en Listener

    So does it mean, only the volumes of information stored in the few brains of wise men (supposed to be) are the source to those knowledges. I am wondering how did they (some people) produce few pages of seemingly ancient looking (all soiled, torn and weather state) pages/text, which they claim to be the PUYA ''or'' a photocopy of the same. (I wonder how would they photocopy in those times). Indeed, they are valuable knowledge and information, esp. for our part of the world.
  6. Se7en

    Se7en Listener

    Ibochouba kaanei makha chathabiyu.....
    The inference I get from your text/comment suggest that,
    Puyas = gyan (loushing + mahei) + paojel/paotaak (guidance/apprehension).

    I can and I embraced the first part whole-heartedly, I want to learn. The second part, which I was skeptical about, as it speaks and deals about our future and prophecy, has/will also be put to rest if the resource person concur that - the future-centric puyas are/were the vision of our forefathers that they want to see in us. They have written down the guidelines (the probable deviation therein) for the same.

    btw the text in the "Laalei Laathup Thilel" suggested of a strong Meitei belief on the second re-incarnation of life.
  7. Langmeiton

    Langmeiton Active Member Valued Members

    Yes, here we need Ibochouba's help once again.
  8. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member

    Thanks everyone for their precious and wonderful inputs on this thread, I am going through from the top and will take some time to digest everything but for someone like me who had little knowledge of the Puya, this was an eye-opener into our past

    Please correct me If I am wrong here

    Is it true that after the 15th century,most of manipur were nominally hindu (the bishnupriyas followed hinduism at that time). The major religions followed by the people at that time were Buddhism, Islam and some followed Animism.

    During the reign of King Pamheiba in the early 18th century, some hindu missionaries (namely Shantidas Goswami and his accomplices) arrived in manipur and succeeded in converting the King from old meitei religion to Vaishnavism

    Under this king's reign, many meitei religious shrines were converted to Hindu shrines and and he burned the Puyas and fought with the traditional clergy for religious power

    I am just wondering if there are any people living in tripura,cachar,burma,manipur etc who still follows the old meitei religion and has knowledge about all the old manipuri religious scripts collectively known as Puyas.

    After reading all this, I wish Shantidas Goswami and his accomplices had never reached manipur and the king at that time was a strong believer of ancient meitei religion and ideology to get influenced by hindu missionaries. That period of time in history seems like the darkest period in our history
  9. Langmeiton

    Langmeiton Active Member Valued Members

    If am not mistaken, Bishnupriyas are not Meiteis. I've seen them all across Barak valley & their women wear phanek & sari tangkhai, accompanied with sindoor, bindi & bangles (white & red). They don't speak meiteilon but bangla. Just that they mingled with hindu-Meitei during the years of exodus, & adapted the Meitei way of dressing.
    My reference here to bangla & not bengali, is from the information that majority of their population in Northeast have escaped from Bangaldesh (after partition), & they were honoured as Indian just because they were Hindus. No doubt, Bengalis also came with the British, but the majority of them in Northeast are Bangladeshis.
    I pray that our people do not have to undergo what the people of Twipura faced with the influx of Banglas. I've met Meiteis in Tripura & they are half Banglas today. The indigenous peoples of Twipura, mostly Kok-Boroks & Reangs have become minority in their homeland. And the indigenous population of Bangaldesh like Brus & Chakmas are refugees in Northeast coz they are tribals & not hindus. Otherwise they would have got same acknowledgment as bangla hindus.
    Buddhism was a religion in Manipur long ago, much before Hinduism or Islam came in the picture. The whole of Northeast was a corridor for Buddhism moving to Southeast Asia. Remnants of the past was revealed when a precious Jade Buddha was excavated few years back around Imphal.
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  10. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member

    Thanks for your insights, I am so glad to know that Bishnupriyas are not meiteis :) , do you know about bhamons? how did they become known by that name and how do they have that little bit of mayang features lookwise ?
  11. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member

    Thanks for your insight, I am so glad to know that Bishnupriyas are not meiteis :) , do you know about bhamons? how did they become known by that name and how do they have that little bit of mayang features lookwise ?

    As for us being buddhist long time back, I believe that buddhist ideologies and aspects apply to our race more than hinduist ideologies

    Come on, Hindu religion has countless gods, had terrible traditions like sati, money is offered to temples on advice of priests to please god and there are so many other negative practices and aspects that has rubbed in to our society. It just looks odd to me when we celebrate festivals like raksha bandhan,diwali, durga puja etc as it is just so against my own beliefs and ideology.

    Note : this is just my personal opinion
  12. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member

    Thanks for your insight, I am so glad to know that Bishnupriyas are not meiteis :) , do you know about bhamons? how did they become known by that name and how do they have that little bit of mayang features lookwise ?

    As for us being buddhist long time back, I believe that buddhist ideologies and aspects apply to our race more than hinduist ideologies

    Come on, Hindu religion has countless gods, had terrible traditions like sati, money is offered to temples on advice of priests to please god and there are so many other negative practices and aspects that has rubbed in to our society. It just looks odd to me when we celebrate festivals like raksha bandhan,diwali, durga puja etc as it is just so against my own beliefs and ideology.

    Note : this is just my personal opinion
  13. Langmeiton

    Langmeiton Active Member Valued Members

    Bamons are descendants of Bengali brahmins who married Meitei women (old tactics people have used to merge into any society). Few bamons are from Uttar Pradesh. But the hinduism we follow is typically bangla/bengali, so much so that, our previous vocabularies have been supplanted to the extent that they have remained literary words seldom used in books.
  14. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member

    Kalpana Thaoroijam

    Many thanks for the clarifaction and for sharing your vast knowledge of Manipur with us. I really appreciate it
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    Early 18th Century, indeed an Apocalypse. King Pamheiba(1709-1748) also known as Garibniwaj, son of Meidingu Charairongba. Pamheiba ruled Manipur for 39 years, he was always busy extending his kingdom in the east of Kabow, to the west cachar, takhel( tripura). He did not pay attention to any meitie laison, later on he was deeply influenced by hindu religion.
    He even excavated all the burial grounds of his forefathers and burnt the remains on the bank of Ningthi turen. From that very day onwards Meities started cremation of dead bodies. On full moon day,somewhere around 1732 AD, he collected all the holy books related to sanamahi and burnt them, later known as PUYA-Meithaba. He himself converted himself to the Ramanandi sect of Vaisnavism with the help of Shantida Gosai, a preacher from Sylhet( now in Bangladesh)

    But, idol worship and Vaisnavism started in Manipur long back during the reign of Meidingu Senbi Kiyamba (1467-1507 AD). He is the son of Ningthou Khomba. Kiyamba became the king at the age of 24 in 1467 AD. King of Pong,Tsawba Khekhomba (shan kingdom) were good friend of King Kiyamba. It says, King of Pong visited Manipur and presented Kiyamba a golden box. It contains a Stone, known as PHEIYA means almighty. At those days, meities did not know about the worship of God in the form of stone. In respect of friendship Kiyamba build a temple at Lamangdong, 27 km south of Imphal, in 1475. Later on, another preacher, a brahmin came from cachar and understood PHEIYA as the hindu god, Vishnu. There were rituals ceremonies for the stone, PHEIYA.

    Kiyamba was pleased with the brahmin and he appointed him in the service of the deity. Afterwards, the followers of the Brahmin were known as Bishupriya and the place was named Bishnupur. Even now there is Vishunu temple at Bishnupur.Some of the Bishupriya were fled to Sylhet, cachar, tripura during the 7 years devastations.

    But, the kings of Manipurs were yet not converted to Hinduism till the reign of King Charairongba ( (1697-1709).
  16. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member

    Wow dude, thanks for sharing this information and enlightening.

    To add to this, the wave of devotion that turned the entire kingdom Krishna conscious took place during the reign of King Garibniwaj’s grandson Rajarshi Bhagyachandra during the 1750's- around 1800AD

    The Govindaji deity in the form that the king had envisioned was installed on the auspicious full moon day of Karttika month in 1776 and from the very beginning Govindaji was revered as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The king himself, his court, his entire state – all were dedicated to Govindaji.

    The king even selected his own daughter, the beautiful Princess Bimbavati to please the Lord as there were no diety of the Lord's consort, Srimati Radharani.The Princess spent the rest of her Life serving the Lord and singing his holy name, She became famous as ‘Sija Lairoibi’, meaning ‘the princess who owned the Lord’. The golden deity of Radharani at the Govindaji temple was later made in her likeness.

    I do not believe all this but the king's story is inspiring and his devotion to the Lord is legendary
  17. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member

    Wow dude, thanks for sharing this information and enlightening us

    To add to this, the wave of devotion that turned the entire kingdom Krishna conscious took place during the reign of King Garibniwaj’s grandson Rajarshi Bhagyachandra during the 1750's- around 1800AD

    The Govindaji deity in the form that the king had envisioned was installed on the auspicious full moon day of Karttika month in 1776 and from the very beginning Govindaji was revered as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The king himself, his court, his entire state – all were dedicated to Govindaji.

    The king even selected his own daughter, the beautiful Princess Bimbavati to please the Lord as there were no diety of the Lord's consort, Srimati Radharani.The Princess spent the rest of her Life serving the Lord and singing his holy name, She became famous as ‘Sija Lairoibi’, meaning ‘the princess who owned the Lord’. The golden deity of Radharani at the Govindaji temple was later made in her likeness.

    I do not believe all this but the king's story is inspiring and his devotion to the Lord is legendary
  18. Jay Laishram

    Jay Laishram Active Member


    Wow dude, thanks for sharing this information and enlightening us

    To add to this, the wave of devotion that turned the entire kingdom Krishna conscious took place during the reign of King Garibniwaj’s grandson Rajarshi Bhagyachandra during the 1750's- around 1800AD

    The Govindaji deity in the form that the king had envisioned was installed on the auspicious full moon day of Karttika month in 1776 and from the very beginning Govindaji was revered as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The king himself, his court, his entire state – all were dedicated to Govindaji.

    The king even selected his own daughter, the beautiful Princess Bimbavati to please the Lord as there were no diety of the Lord's consort, Srimati Radharani.The Princess spent the rest of her Life serving the Lord and singing his holy name, She became famous as ‘Sija Lairoibi’, meaning ‘the princess who owned the Lord’. The golden deity of Radharani at the Govindaji temple was later made in her likeness.

    I do not believe in Hinduism or Vaishnavism but I find the king's story inspiring and his devotion to the Lord legendary
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  19. Ibochouba Khuman

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    Re-incarnation was/is believed by the Meeteis. Out of those five Puyas that wrote about future happenings (1. Lalei Lathup Thilel 2. Matam Khonglei 3. Meeyat Lalei Lathup 4. Maichou Apoklon and 5. Maichou Lang-on), the last "Maichou Lang-on" is about the rebirth of the Maichous. In this Puya, the end of Maichous (how, when and where) are written and the signs that they are born etc. And this re-incarnation doesn't take place for each and every individual ........ sorry, I am inviting another Ghost-like talk/debate ........:p

    Re-incarnation mentioned in the Puya "Lalei Lathup Thilel" is different from what we normally interpret. Here, "nahak ki napok ahumlak subada" means ...... Khagemba's 1st generation is he himself, 2nd is Charairongba and so the 3rd being Pamheiba i.e., on his grandson's reign, such and such is will take place ........etc. My 2nd "mapok" is my son, third "mapok" is my grand-son, etc.
  20. Ibochouba Khuman

    Ibochouba Khuman Maichou Valued Members

    Anybody know that "Cheitharol Kumpaba" was compiled by two men very recently as per instruction of the King .... some 200/300 years old ...... after Hinduism came to the state!??!!?!

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